Ryan Wilson: Is Riley Sheahan a luxury or a necessity? necessity Is Riley Sheahan a luxury or a necessity?

You need him. Keep him.

have to figure there are cheaper options at the same production level for a 4th liner than 2M...right?

have to figure there are cheaper options at the same production level for a 4th liner than 2M...right?
- RuutuRock’emLikeU2#37

Not really. Pens got lucky when they got Cullen, looking at the UFA list... I'd rather have Sheahan than someone like Beagle, Gibbons, Letestu, Vermette, etc.

Sheahan can also play 3C if necessary if the Pens shift Brassard to wing. His versatility makes it worth 2m IMO.

Need to bring back Oleksiak after losing Cole he's basically only D man that plays physical

I'd like to see the Pens move Brassard up and down the lineup throughout the season, and in turn shift Sheahan to 3C when Brassard is being tried up at wing

When we need the depth, we can go back to the 4C model

That was the fatal flaw against the Caps IMO. By playing 4 lines we watered down our lineup against an injury weakened Caps team

Should have rolled 3 lines at times

Jake Sid Horn
Brass Geno Phil
Rust Sheahan Sheary

could also flip Brass and Horn

minimal ice and PK time to

Kuhn Hags Simon

Need to bring back Oleksiak after losing Cole he's basically only D man that plays physical
- bird899

Oleksiak will be cheap. He didn't do anything to warrant a big raise, so I think that's a nonfactor. Also he was pretty overrated around these parts so I think that gives him a higher perceived value. Not terrible, but he was alright.

Sheahan is a for sure keeper at anything under $3M per year.

Please keep Sheahan GMJR. Liked the trade from the get go and after about 7 or 8 games he really fit in. There were nights, before the Brassard trade, that his line with him at 3C was the best for either team on the ice.

All this talk about Brassard being 2C insurance in case one of the big 2 go down...so if that did happen, who's playing 3C and 4C?

He'll get a full training camp and season with Pens this year. He's still young and can improve individually and within in the system. RFA and cost controlled.

Keep him.

Oleksiak will be cheap. He didn't do anything to warrant a big raise, so I think that's a nonfactor. Also he was pretty overrated around these parts so I think that gives him a higher perceived value. Not terrible, but he was alright.
- j.boyd919

This is a guy I think we'll see improve this year with a full training camp and the games last season under his belt. Like ya said, he wont cost much either.

This is a guy I think we'll see improve this year with a full training camp and the games last season under his belt. Like ya said, he wont cost much either.
- MattStrat

Yeah I think he'll be solid next year at a really good cost for the Pens.

This is a guy I think we'll see improve this year with a full training camp and the games last season under his belt. Like ya said, he wont cost much either.
- MattStrat

I wouldn't expect much change from a 25 year old player with almost 200 NHL games played.

I wouldn't expect much change from a 25 year old player with almost 200 NHL games played.
- Feds91Stammer

I would from a D man. Too many D-man to list didnt come into their own until mid to late 20's.

I would from a D man. Too many D-man to list didnt come into their own until mid to late 20's.
- MattStrat

Most players hit their peak age by age 24 or 25 then decline gradually until age 30, at which point their performance can begin to tumble more noticeably with the risk of absolute collapse by age 34 or 35.

https://hockey-graphs.com...s-for-nhl-skaters-part-1/

https://hockey-graphs.com/2017/03/23/a-new-look-at-aging-curves-for-nhl-skaters-part-1/
- Feds91Stammer

Crazy that it says forwards peak later than D, definitely wouldn't have guessed that.

Crazy that it says forwards peak later than D, definitely wouldn't have guessed that.
- j.boyd919

Yeah I think peak age is largely misunderstood because it takes 2 or 3 years of good performance sometimes before we recognise a player being good.

https://hockey-graphs.com/2017/03/23/a-new-look-at-aging-curves-for-nhl-skaters-part-1/
- Feds91Stammer

http://www.cbc.ca/news/wh...-hockey-metrics-1.2646054

"Perform within 90 per cent of their peak from 24 to 34 years old (two years longer than forwards)."

Everyone flag Feds for posting oversize pics.

Crazy that it says forwards peak later than D, definitely wouldn't have guessed that.
- j.boyd919

Because its not true.

https://hockey-graphs.com/2017/03/23/a-new-look-at-aging-curves-for-nhl-skaters-part-1/
- Feds91Stammer

I wouldn't put much stock in the D analysis as the author themselves states

but our sample is severely limited (the delta method yielded only 20 defensemen aged 18-20). I’m not sure we can trust the data for the young defensemen

Everyone flag Feds for posting oversize pics.
- MattStrat

Eat a bag of dikks

Eat a bag of dikks
- Feds91Stammer

http://www.cbc.ca/news/when-nhl-players-peak-hockey-metrics-1.2646054

"Perform within 90 per cent of their peak from 24 to 34 years old (two years longer than forwards)."
- MattStrat

My link was to newer data. Delete your account.

I wouldn't put much stock in the D analysis as the author themselves states
- Joel_Eh

http://www.cbc.ca/news/when-nhl-players-peak-hockey-metrics-1.2646054

"Perform within 90 per cent of their peak from 24 to 34 years old (two years longer than forwards)."
- MattStrat

They analyzed peak performance in a number of ways, but the statistics they relied on were regular season points scored and plus-minus for skaters and save percentage for goalies.

That CBC article uses points scored and plus/minus. There is no way I'm going to trust that lol hell no.